Thread of Introductions and Random Discussion

[Konig Des Todes]

I closed the first, merged Free Runner's and Neo's together (since the first dealt with an overview of them and the second dealt with their locations and the posts didn't intercept), so now Free Runner's thread is the main one. You can find a link in the Archives.

[Thalador Doomspeaker]

Greetings, I'm Thalador Doomspeaker. I usually raise more questions with my posts. Also, I like to argue with everyone about their theories. My other name would be The Great Speculator, because I love to fantasize and relate the theme of the topics to other theories through speculations.

[TaggSilar]

ok, so i was reading up on the a bit of the history of tyria and what happened between GW and GW2. i dont know if this has been said before, but it seemed to me like abbaddon was the driving force for most of the things that occurred and destroyed the powerful human empires. i read that the charr pushed down into ascalonian territory and conquered all the lands, but when they moved on to orr, their armies were destroyed by the cataclysm. i was surprised to learn that vizier khilbron was that one who used the magic that created the cataclysm. i also read that the cataclysm was driven into action by abbaddon. and im guessing when the charr were destroyed the humans rebuilt ascalon. after digging deeper, i found that the charr were given the power to conquer ascalon by the titans, and if titans are the servants of abbaddon, would that not mean that the charr were ultimately lead by abbaddon. i do not know much about the dragons, but if anyone knows about them, who created them, or were they always sort of there. Elona later fell to palawa joko, who was brought back when abbaddon was defeated. was palawa joko a servant of abbaddon? and what initially drove the guilds to war with each other? this has most likely all been said before but this is the first time ive taken an interest in tyria's history, but did abbaddon bring the destruction of the human empires with the help of the dragons?

[Thalador Doomspeaker]

Yes, Abaddon is responsible for a lot of things. It's true, that he was involved in the searing of Ascalon, the cataclysm of Orr and the corruption of Shiro and the Vizier. (The latter was responsible for the Cataclysm, although he was deceived/corrupted by one of Abaddon's "demonic agent".) But, I'd like to tell you, that he was not the creator of the Ancient Dragons, and Palawa Joko is not a follower/servant of Abaddon.

These quotations can help:

Originally Posted by Movement of the World

The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory. The only thing known about these monsters is that they have no pity, no curiosity—no concern at all for the other races of the world. Their only goal seems to be to dominate, to control, and to destroy.

The first reference of the gods of Tyria is in 3000 BE, when they created(?) Glint, the first and oldest creature (aside from the Anceint Dragons) on Tyria. The Giganticus Lupicus became extinct around 10000 BE. So there's no known connection between Abaddon and the Dragons.

Palawa Joko was entombed by the Order of Whispers and Turai Ossa. He was/is a quite power hungry undead, so that's the reason for invading and conquering Elona two times. (Well, the first was not successful, but as you know the second was.) And it was us (the players), who released that abomination on the world, because we needed his help to defeat the Dark God of Secrets.

I don't think that behind the Guild Wars there was Abaddon's hand. It was the human race/guilds. Their greed and lost for power was the reason for the fightings.

[Free Runner]

Abaddon was the one responsible for the whole Charr -> Destroy Ascalon + Orr scenario that led to Orrs destruction - the Charr were serving him without actually knowing it. He was also responsible for Shiros paranoia that caused him to attack the Emperor - the Fortune Teller was his. And of course he was responsible for the attack on the Tomb of the Primeval Kings and Shing Jea Island.

So yes he was involved in a couple of past events - the guild wars however seem to have been purely human driven. Guilds gained power too fast and like Thalador said, human greed pushed things further. Jokos origins are never really stated however Abbadon probably had little to do with him considering how very little Joko seems to care about Abaddons return. Its also doubtful he had anything to do with the ancient dragons considering there was a god before him. He may of found out about them but that would be about it.

So unless Anet are hiding other plot elements for GW2, Abbadon should have very little effect on the future of Tyria after his destruction.

[Xsiriss]

For GW2 it's going to be some dragons stirring everything up,so abbadon's role has ended.

[Konig Des Todes]

Many things that influence the GW1 storyline was caused by Abaddon, with the help of Dhuum and Menzies. He was the problem of some past issues, but no future issues, and certainly not all issues.

The Guild Wars was caused by human greed which was powered by the Bloodstones' magic seeping into the area in which they were in.

Palawa Joko doesn't work for anyone, he is out for his own ambition and his own gain.

I am going to merge this thread with the random discussion one, as this is hardly worth its own. Please use the random discussion thread in the future.

[Gmr Leon]

Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

And it was us (the players), who released that abomination on the world, because we needed his help to defeat the Dark God of Secrets.

Surprisingly enough, it wasn't us for once, rather, it was:

Originally Posted by Palawa Joko

The weakening of reality freed me.

All we did was restore his power, not release him from his imprisonment.

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

The Guild Wars was caused by human greed which was powered by the Bloodstones' magic seeping into the area in which they were in.

Actually, it wasn't even that. It was merely the dispersion of the Bloodstones when the volcano erupted, which, realizing their power, led them to fighting due to, as each of you has said, greed. Eliminate the enemies, and take all the power for yourself when you find it.

[Shadow of the wolf]

Sorry if this has alrdy been adressed...
was just wondering has any1 else seen the backbones in the raptor cave or its seems 2 have a similar look of spinal bones... Would have posted some pics but at work atm... I have a opinion that this might be apart of a big beast like creature

[vamp08]

I dont believe the bare bones in the raptor cave have any signifigance beside asthetics. Raptors are carniverous, so a large creature might have stumbled apon the cave and all the nestlings along with Broodmother most likely would have ate it.

So no, the bones serve no purpose other than to solidify that raptors eat...things.

[Derrick the Nomad]

I would like to get a general consensus from the lore forum about Stormcaller and the Horn of King Doric.

I always thought they were two separate things and that Stormcaller was just a mouth piece to the Horn of King Doric, but I'm also hearing that they are the same thing: that the whole horn is Stormcaller and the little white horn is just the mouthpiece to it.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormcaller

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Horn_of_King_Doric

I assumed that the Horn of King Doric did different things based off which mouth piece was used and Stormcaller is the mouth piece that brings rain.

[silavor]

To be honest, I have NEVER heard of the large horn being called the Horn of King Doric. The official wiki doesn't even have an article for a "Horn of King Doric". Rather, it says that the large horn is Stormcaller, and the small horn is just a mouthpiece, which is what I've always interpreted the cutscenes as trying to say.

[Bob Slydell]

Erol calls the small horn the "mouthpiece"

Erol: Yes, my prince. I believe it is the mouthpiece for the fabled horn, Stormcaller! With this weapon we could destroy the Charr once and for all. Ascalon could be saved.

[Konig Des Todes]

If they are normal sized, it's just as vamp08 said. If they are large, I mean very large, then they are Giganticus Lupicus bones.

Beyond that, no real meaning I'm sure.

[Konig Des Todes]

As silavor and Chrisworld said, the "Horn of King Doric" isn't an official thing. I've never even heard of that term before.

That wiki you linked to is nearly complete BS with lore. The two horns is "Stormcaller" - the small part being the mouthpiece.

[Sir Franz]

Actually there are 5 humanoid faces on the gwen map, that lake and the shoreline facing the west on the middle lake, the west peninsula on the northern island, the south western peninsula on Orr and the inlet to the crystal desert(most noticeable when its unexplored). Cantha has a baboon face on the southern most island and the river flowing north from the Jade sea casts a face on the island and the opposite shore. Elonia has only the peninsula to the west of the Sunspear crypt. Most likely these are just our minds seeing shapes and patterns that where not intentional.

I heard a moa took it or something but i'm not sure

[Shayne Hawke]

She was hunting the Black Moa, and it inflicted righteous fury against her.

Checked the wiki, here's one of her idle sayings:

Originally Posted by Zho

I was tracking the legendary black moa one cold day in the Echovald Forest. For weeks I had gone without catching even a glimpse of it when suddenly I heard its unmistakable call. Let me tell you there's no more chilling sound you can ever hear, it froze the very marrow in my bones. I crept along as silently as possible but too late I was, the evil beast has seen me and attacked. It was a horrible struggle; I barely escaped with my life and lost an eye in the process. Pray that you never see a black moa, and if you do, run for your life.

[citizensmith1001]

Also just go to her page on wiki , it tells you what happened to her.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zho

Quote from Zho's wiki page Zho's eye was pecked out by the Black Moa in the Echovald Forest, when she was trying to save Nehdukah.

Is it just their name or does Am Fah itself have some kind of asian translation...asian because they're from Cantha n st00f.